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 Post subject: Re: Wow ruinning the Warcraft seriers/universe
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:21 pm 
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Well it was more than corruption, he was downright possessed. When Aegwynn destroyed the Avatar of Sargeras, his "spirit form" took shelter in her body, waiting until Medivh was born until he could assume a new physical form. Medivh (up until his execution by Lothar & Khadgar) was essentially a piece of Sargeras walking around in Human form.

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 Post subject: Re: Wow ruinning the Warcraft seriers/universe
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:49 am 
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Why do you say WC3 ruined the lore? What specifically do you dislike about it? It fleshed out a bunch of great characters (from War of the Ancients) and paved the way for a whole new series of stories and heroes/villains. Do you just hate anything new? (:



I think WC3 was a great game. The warcraft series wouldnt be as great as it is without The Burning League

But in WoW they don't create new things, they just kill of everything that ever were and milks every last bit of decent story that once were!


U kidding? the new expansion has to write new lore, cause in WotLK you kill the biggest baddest motherfucker in the wow universe (Apart from Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde, who are already fucking dead) the Lich King himself, this ending every part of lore that WC3 was building up.


Yes you said it yourself "this ending every part of lore that WC3 was building up" like i said they are killing everything and basically ending Warcraft... Now i havent played Wow for like 2-3 years but from what i have read/heard they have basicly killed of every bad guy and ended every story line (while nothing happens between the factions?!?!)

So basically if they make a Wc4 RTS then the story line would wierd and just wrong imho

If it was up to me Wow should have been killed of, or have been unofficial lore right after Burning crusade which would leave Warcraft open for more (good) installments

And on my last note i would suggest that a game like WoW doesn't have the "movement" to be official lore!


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 Post subject: Re: Wow ruinning the Warcraft seriers/universe
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:07 am 
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The Warcraft lore will keep being written. The guy in charge of the Warcraft movie stated that their will be brand new characters in the movie. That being said you can assume that they will have those characters in WoW as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Wow ruinning the Warcraft seriers/universe
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:55 am 
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Yes you said it yourself "this ending every part of lore that WC3 was building up" like i said they are killing everything and basically ending Warcraft...

Well here's everything WC3 built up.
1) Arthas killed Antonidas.
2) Dalaran was destroyed.
3) The Night Elves sacrificed their immortality.
4) Archimonde was killed.
5) Grom Hellscream lead the orcs into yet another fel-induced rage, resulting in the death of Cenarius.
6) Thrall became the Warchief and united several factions to become the Horde.
7) Jaina superseded her close-minded father.
8) Lordaeron fell, the Forsaken rose.
9) Quel'thalas was shattered. Anasterian was murdered.
10) The Blood Elves were born from their addiction to Fel magic thanks to Kael'thas' alliegance to demons.
11) Illidan pledged himself to Kil'Jaeden and failed to defeat Arthas.
12) Arthas merged with Ner'Zhul to become the Lich King.
13) Kil'Jaeden is seen plotting his "master's return." (Sargeras)

So to follow on in WoW with each of those events;
1) There's a statue of rememberance for him in the Gardens of Dalaran.
2) Those crafty mages preserved the city and lifted it into the sky as a base of assault to be used against Malygos.
3) This event was a 6th Tier Raid Zone in TBC.
4) As above.
5) Memorial zone named after him
6) Directed the Horde for several years, now departing to mend the damage done to Azeroth by Deathwing's return. Cairne Bloodhoof, leader of the Taurens and friend of Thrall, is murdered by Garrosh Hellscream (new leader of the Horde) and superseded by his son, Baine.
7) Became the leader of Theramore, and mediator between the Horde and Alliance.
8) Entire playable faction, significant story highlight of WotLK.
9) Becomes a reconstructed capital city and raid zone in TBC.
10) The entire theme of TBC is oriented around cleansing them of their addiction and teaching them how to harness their abilities without siphoning it from living creatures. (Naaru)
11) Illidan went mad as a result of his defeat by Arthas and stole the Black Temple from Magtheridon, imprisoning him and surrounding himself with armies to protect himself from Kil'Jaeden. He was killed by Maeiv and Akama in a 6th Tier Raid.
12) Entire expansion based on this event; died to Tirion Fordring and the Ashen Verdict. Superseded by Bolvar Fordragon.
13) Kil'Jaeden was pushed back through into the Twisting Nether during the Sunwell Invasion. He is yet to be defeated, and Sargeras will eventually make his return.

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Now i havent played Wow for like 2-3 years

I think you're dropping alot of credibility there. :P

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but from what i have read/heard they have basicly killed of every bad guy and ended every story line (while nothing happens between the factions?!?!)

Here's a list of all the pre-existing villains that have fallen during WoW's timeline:
- Ragnaros (Vanilla)
- Sapphiron (Vanilla, retconned to WotLK)
- Kel'Thuzad (Vanilla, retconned to WotLK)
- Balnazzar (Vanilla)
- Magtheridon (TBC)
- Lady Vashj (TBC)
- Kael'Thas Sunstrider (TBC)
- Azgalor (TBC - yep, he counts)
- Illidan Stormrage (TBC)
- Anub'arak (WotLK)
- Malygos (WotLK)
- Saurfang Jr. (Technically he doesn't count since he was a good guy - WotLK)
- Arthas Menethil (WotLK)

So all we really got out of Vanilla was a lowly Dread Lord. Vashj, Kael and Illidan were a pretty big deal in TBC because it was the first time they'd really killed off any outstanding characters from the WarCraft universe. Until then, it was just a bunch of randoms like Deathwings children - Nefarian & Onyxia, the Qiraji, the Old God C'Thun, blah blah blah. Ragnaros was a big deal, but not many people were familiar with the Elemental Lords at that point, so he's making a comeback for Cataclysm.

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So basically if they make a Wc4 RTS then the story line would wierd and just wrong imho

I don't quite understand your logic here. The point you're trying to make is that all of the storylines from WC3 are being concluded, so the WC4 story will be bad? You do realise that pretty much all of the WC3 story was all new and original right? Thrall, Arthas, Jaina, Rexxar, Sylvanas, Kael'Thas; all of these characters were new storylines to the WarCraft universe. WC4 will introduce even more new characters and storylines to use as a foundation for further events. It's standard development...

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If it was up to me Wow should have been killed of, or have been unofficial lore right after Burning crusade which would leave Warcraft open for more (good) installments

Why after TBC? The story really went into overdrive with WotLK. You can really tell by all of the quests, zones and characters that they were very focused on delivering a very story-oriented expansion this time round - not just a bunch of raid zones and epic loot. If anything, that's how it should have been since the beginning.

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And on my last note i would suggest that a game like WoW doesn't have the "movement" to be official lore!

Well if anything, a game like WoW is the only platform with enough movement to progress a story. With WC3, you go out and you buy the game, you get your 4 campaigns and that's the end of the story until you buy the expansion pack. You buy that a year later, complete that... and then what? Nothing more for another decade whilst you wait for WC4? At least with WoW, the universe is constantly growing and developing with every few months. I'd say that's an ideal pace!

I think your opinions would vary greatly if you'd played the game in the last few years. (:

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 Post subject: Re: Wow ruinning the Warcraft seriers/universe
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:13 pm 
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6) Directed the Horde for several years, now departing to mend the damage done to Azeroth by Deathwing's return. Cairne Bloodhoof, leader of the Taurens and friend of Thrall, is murdered by Garrosh Hellscream (new leader of the Horde) and superseded by his son, Baine.

What? Must be in cata that i havent read yet. AND:

12) Entire expansion based on this event; died to Tirion Fordring and the Ashen Verdict. Superseded by Bolvar Fordragon.

FFFUUU I HAVENT CLEARED ICC YET. SPOILER MUCH?

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 Post subject: Re: Wow ruinning the Warcraft seriers/universe
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:46 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Wow ruinning the Warcraft seriers/universe
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:46 pm 
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C'mon, I don't even play the game and I know this stuff. :P

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 Post subject: Re: Wow ruinning the Warcraft seriers/universe
PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:30 pm 
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Yea you might be right, i havent been playing for a long time but i still keep up with forums and what direction they are taking the game. It might just not be enough. But this is how i see Wow and warcraft in general.

Anyways Wall of text much and alot of SPOILERS :D


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